tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post9019161851482567304..comments2024-02-20T05:31:26.304-05:00Comments on Italianthro: Myth of North-South Racial DifferencesItalianthrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09861218992434816390noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-49312587445963050742020-11-21T08:08:51.816-05:002020-11-21T08:08:51.816-05:00Awesome blog and thank you for creating it. We Ita...Awesome blog and thank you for creating it. We Italians taught the world so much and the WASPs in the last few centuries have tried to rob us of our true heritage....last time I looked at an Etruscan, Roman or Greek mural I didn't really see red hair and freckles...I saw myselfSamsonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06819917292046566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-85054780946865585102020-08-11T08:49:36.930-04:002020-08-11T08:49:36.930-04:00@Blogger
>>> Mack Smith is known in Ital...@Blogger<br /><br /><i>>>> Mack Smith is known in Italy as an anti-Italian and as a historical revisionist. He constantly argued with Italian academics who condemned him and his work, most notably Prof. Rosario Romeo.</i><br /><br />Yeah, and Prof. Romeo's enemies called him conservative and a fascist revisionist. Is that all you have? Calling people you don't like Marxists, Italianthrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09861218992434816390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-51743389012965589342020-08-08T09:06:24.376-04:002020-08-08T09:06:24.376-04:00@Blogger
Southern Italians do not have "Hell...@Blogger<br /><br /><i>Southern Italians do not have "Hellenic and Byzantine roots". The vast majority of southern Italy was never settled by Greeks. Not even Sicily was ever completely settled by Greeks. This myth is spread by those who have an incredibly simplistic view of history (i.e., those who think in terms of "Celtic north" and "Greek south") and who Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-309531775508281342020-08-06T12:24:07.190-04:002020-08-06T12:24:07.190-04:00[6/6]
Even an English Catholic periodical like Ca...[6/6]<br /><br />Even an English Catholic periodical like Catholic World claimed in an article about Italians (Volume 47, 1888):<br /><br /><i>"Where do all these dark-eyed, olive-tinted men and women come from? ... There is first the difference in race-traits between the northern and southern Italians. The northerns, from Venice, Piedmont, and Lombardy, have much of the energy and vivacity Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-49152984010366052272020-08-06T12:23:17.578-04:002020-08-06T12:23:17.578-04:00[5/6]
In an article entitled 'The Different E...[5/6]<br /><br />In an article entitled 'The Different European Races', published in Chambers's Journal in 1848, the author claims that northern Italy is "Teutonic" and that the south is "Greco-Spanish-Moorish", while proclaiming northern Europeans as the only pure race:<br /><br /><i>"On the downfall of Rome, the Teutonic tribe of the Longobards settled in, Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-4938105376883554292020-08-06T12:22:02.531-04:002020-08-06T12:22:02.531-04:00[4/6]
In an earlier work by Robert Gordon Latham ...[4/6]<br /><br />In an earlier work by Robert Gordon Latham entitled The Ethnology of Europe (1852) we find the same racial divisions. According to Latham the central Italians are the "least mixed Italians", because the north is "pre-eminently German" whereas the south is mixed with Arabic. It should be noted that this author cites the French nordicist writer De Gobineau.<br /Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-29232406624251868642020-08-06T12:21:18.951-04:002020-08-06T12:21:18.951-04:00[3/6]
In an article about European music, publish...[3/6]<br /><br />In an article about European music, published in The North British Review (vol. 20, 1854), it is said:<br /><br /><i>"From the earliest period in history, the Italian and Spanish Peninsulas have been the abode of a number of small fragments of different races... There is, however, one feature in which they all participate, and that is the Southern blood and nature. The Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-82806691311314262362020-08-06T12:21:00.604-04:002020-08-06T12:21:00.604-04:00[2/6]
There never was any widespread "northe...[2/6]<br /><br />There never was any widespread "northern Italian racial prejudice" against southerners. It's a total lie. Again, even the men who were cited do not show this: Sergi was Sicilian; Niceforo was Sicilian; Lombroso was an anti-Italian Jew. Not a single northern Italian among them. And even if we can manage to find one or two individual writers, it still wouldn't Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-21484178257974532432020-08-06T12:19:57.898-04:002020-08-06T12:19:57.898-04:00[1/6]
To Italianthro:
The fact that you think Ma...[1/6]<br /><br />To Italianthro:<br /><br />The fact that you think Mack Smith is a credible writer when it comes to Italian topics shows that you do not grasp at all what happens in Italy. Allow me to explain. Mack Smith is known in Italy as an anti-Italian and as a historical revisionist. He constantly argued with Italian academics who condemned him and his work, most notably Prof. Rosario Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-15040713048610786582020-02-15T12:49:49.592-05:002020-02-15T12:49:49.592-05:00Lucian: I read your post and I concur. As I said i...Lucian: I read your post and I concur. As I said in my previous post, I visited Sicily for 3 weeks. The Segesta Park, the official park books sold there clearly show the archaeological evidence is that the Elymi or Elymians were Ligurian (Italic) Tribe. The Sicels and the Morgante were closely related Italic tribes as well, part of Oenotrians which is likely the Major Tribe they are part of . ThePalermo Trapanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901462766804949624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-52540872704453176382020-01-29T09:24:31.190-05:002020-01-29T09:24:31.190-05:00I am Romanian and I also know about these artifici...I am Romanian and I also know about these artificial schisms created in a country by both domestic and foreign agents, some of them interested, others just idiots (e.g. some frustrated Romanians from Transylvania, i.e. "Northerners", who think they are superior to those in the South, especially some poorer counties in the Danube Plain, i.e. the Sicily of Romania). I have a few points toLucianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034217327889879729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-20246143703524621292020-01-08T17:47:59.321-05:002020-01-08T17:47:59.321-05:00Hello Italianthro! Great post! And these comments ...Hello Italianthro! Great post! And these comments are sublime! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!Nerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170261323963146010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-9788882854334641422020-01-07T18:16:49.463-05:002020-01-07T18:16:49.463-05:00Aitor:
Is is not true that during the period befo...Aitor:<br /><br />Is is not true that during the period before Garibaldi, Naples was by far the most wealthiest City in Italy, Palermo was actually 2nd. The Kingdom of Two Sicilies was for the most part a functioning government. The Bank of Naples had more assets than any Bank in Italy prior to unification. However, there were some agreements made by Northern Industrialist and Rome (which was thePalermo Trapanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901462766804949624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-85144047009262128862020-01-07T03:57:25.807-05:002020-01-07T03:57:25.807-05:00To be fair, Nitti does show a transition under uni...To be fair, Nitti does show a transition under unification of Neopolitan production and consumption of its own produce towards importation of foodstuffs from the north. I would say a balanced view should be sought according to which post-risorgimento policies did militate against southern development, but partly out of the inertia of having some regions neighbor developed receptive (trans-alpine)Aitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14896156959168002294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-25752367894878377682019-12-26T09:12:53.110-05:002019-12-26T09:12:53.110-05:00@Blogger
I quoted from 6 different sources, most ...@Blogger<br /><br />I quoted from 6 different sources, most of them books published by universities. You can't just say they're all biased and wrong because their authors are Americans or "Communists" or whatever, and then give your own biased opinions and unsupported claims instead. Just because Nelson J. Moe writes about Gramsci doesn't mean he's a Marxist making up Italianthrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09861218992434816390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-78580565112245065302019-12-24T11:49:50.531-05:002019-12-24T11:49:50.531-05:00Blogger:
Thank you for your post. There are indee...Blogger:<br /><br />Thank you for your post. There are indeed lots of "trolls" who like to pit the Italian regions vs. each other. I was in Sicily for 3 weeks and Rome a few days last summer. I made many friends in Sicily and I never heard 1 person say negative things about another region of Italy. I rented property in the local towns I stayed and 1 couple that I became friends with Palermo Trapanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901462766804949624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-89400568130316878252019-12-24T06:27:42.707-05:002019-12-24T06:27:42.707-05:00[7/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:
Now piss off and stop...[7/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:<br /><br />Now piss off and stop spreading misinformation about my country.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-37040321262356947252019-12-24T06:26:39.694-05:002019-12-24T06:26:39.694-05:00[6/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:
Secondly, northerners...[6/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:<br /><br />Secondly, northerners do not view southerners as "scapegoats", nor do southerners view northers as "barbarians" nor do they "look [upon them] with contempt". These ridiculous assertions could only be repeated by a foreigner whose entire knowledge of Italy derives from Wikipedia, Facebook groups or 4chan posts. These kinds are Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-62227575485842904482019-12-24T06:25:11.264-05:002019-12-24T06:25:11.264-05:00[5/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:
These movements were ...[5/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:<br /><br />These movements were – and still are – purely driven by economic considerations (especially taxes and wealth distribution), but ever since these parties were founded, its leaders and supporters have masked their economic goals by depicting their political agitation as an ethnic struggle, inventing the artificial and unhistorical concept of 'Padania';Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-89418996828131232532019-12-24T06:22:03.833-05:002019-12-24T06:22:03.833-05:00[4/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:
As Mario Mignone (an ...[4/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:<br /><br />As Mario Mignone (an Italian-American professor from southern Italy) said:<br /><br />"During the 11th to the 13th centuries big changes took place: a rise in population with the emergence of huge cities (Venice, Florence, and Milan, had over 100,000 inhabitants by the 13th century, and many others surpassed 50,000, such as Genoa, Bologna, Verona); the Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-22974435406718059022019-12-24T06:16:27.607-05:002019-12-24T06:16:27.607-05:00[3/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:
4) Related to the pre...[3/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:<br /><br />4) Related to the previous point: the north was already advancing beyond the south long before the Norman conquest. The attempt to tie southern Italy's fate to the 11th century Norman conquest and the Fourth Crusade is beyond ridiculous. In the first place, northern Italian cities were already beginning to ascend as early as the 9th century, while the Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-62155009774360158902019-12-24T06:13:26.828-05:002019-12-24T06:13:26.828-05:00[2/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:
If anyone should be r...[2/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:<br /><br />If anyone should be rediscovering their roots, perhaps it is the Greeks themselves. After all, Greece was far more extensively colonized by Italians than the other way around. Recall, for example, that ancient cities such as Cortinth and Thessalonica were Latin-speaking under Rome, after being colonized by Italian settlers. The Venetians settled and ruled Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-78875995727081851202019-12-24T06:12:12.988-05:002019-12-24T06:12:12.988-05:00[1/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:
I swear, sometimes it...[1/7] Reply to Onur Dincer:<br /><br />I swear, sometimes it seems like some of you people exist just to make things up about Italy.<br /><br />1) Being that you are apparently a Turk (judging by your Turkish name), I seriously doubt you have any idea how Italians feel or how they perceive themselves. More on this later.<br /><br />2) Southern Italians do not have "Hellenic and Byzantine Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-79908891122423923422019-12-24T00:40:07.284-05:002019-12-24T00:40:07.284-05:00[3/3]
How completely absurd then to claim that th...[3/3]<br /><br />How completely absurd then to claim that the pro-southern "Meridionalisti" have "supplied the foundations" for "anti-Southern xenophobia". It makes no sense.<br /><br />5) At least it is admitted here that Lombroso was a Jew; frequently his Jewishness is ignored, when he was no more "Italian" than Marx was "German": both were Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-15375018865485216642019-12-24T00:39:13.187-05:002019-12-24T00:39:13.187-05:00[2/3]
The only source I could find which claims t...[2/3]<br /><br />The only source I could find which claims that Cavour "never traveled south of Florence" is a 2004 book by Vittorio Messori, which is not at all surprising. He is a revisionist writer whose work holds no scholarly credibility in Italy. He famously likened the Italians of the Risorgimento to "Nazis" and said they should have been executed. Messori studied underBloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275978748979489332noreply@blogger.com