tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post6540372562449579095..comments2024-02-20T05:31:26.304-05:00Comments on Italianthro: Moors Expelled from Sicily and Southern ItalyItalianthrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09861218992434816390noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-23154483571905151912024-02-20T05:31:26.304-05:002024-02-20T05:31:26.304-05:00Everyone is wrong and no one is mixed in Italy. Th...Everyone is wrong and no one is mixed in Italy. They’re all white. Julie Anne Taylor is ok. No it’s obvious if people like you weren’t here there would be slot of people who would realize Italians are white. Everyone is wrong NXGNOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09541104189594387157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-84835196370707267992016-12-16T16:15:53.753-05:002016-12-16T16:15:53.753-05:00My Ancestry DNA results - assuming from my materna...My Ancestry DNA results - assuming from my maternal Calabrian (Polistena)and Sicilian (Messina / Monforte San Giorgio) side - suggest Middle East 7% and North Africa 1%. Of course, we have no clue if this is old inheritance that is common throughout the population from Carthaginians, slaves, Moors who may have converted etc. My aunt was of course almost double in her %....which raises the Eruonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317476118722276545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-72995105541907751952016-06-07T10:26:45.609-04:002016-06-07T10:26:45.609-04:00So studying Italian admixtures is a joke ! You hav...So studying Italian admixtures is a joke ! You have so many layers,so many years and so many different peoples. You dont know if the arabic admxture is from the Etruscans (from asia minor or turkey)the samnites who were have said to be from the east as well,and then you had the biggest factor to me. and that was the Roman empire ! Who populated the whole peninsula with from people from all over Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08763557935078834084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-25988711786091691422014-11-05T18:18:38.737-05:002014-11-05T18:18:38.737-05:00Giorgio according to the distribution of sicilian ...Giorgio according to the distribution of sicilian Ydna the berber marker E-M81 is 1,5% overall while the arab marker J1 is 3,5% according to Eupedia.Vittorio Amatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172689312982734214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-61114033559648712452014-11-05T18:14:46.494-05:002014-11-05T18:14:46.494-05:00During the norman conquest most of the muslims (mo...During the norman conquest most of the muslims (most just a native converted people) abandoned Sicily, we can read that in the poets of Ibn Hamdis and Al Ballanubi, two famous sicilian muslims who leaved Sicily after norman conquest.<br />Some muslims (again most of them converted native people) remained in Sicily but they were were confined to an area behind Palermo, in cities like Monreale, SanVittorio Amatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172689312982734214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-31414193866715317822012-03-21T16:30:54.943-04:002012-03-21T16:30:54.943-04:00So what is the most recent study on Sicilians &quo...So what is the most recent study on Sicilians "Arab/North African admixture"?Giorgiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280239532906115050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-84009829767345459552011-11-25T19:38:57.434-05:002011-11-25T19:38:57.434-05:00"Mafia" is probably the most significant..."Mafia" is probably the most significant loan from Arabic (whence <i>morfiyeh</i>, "group"; cf. Mafia Island of Tanzania, an early Arabian hangout). It's easy to see this taking shape in Sicilian prisons. No farther-fetched than Kievsky over at MindWeaponsInRagnarok using the word <i>taqiyya</i> to denote hiding one's full opinions to avoid censure by YKW. <br /><br />Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16268051898047705219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-87272173993725772972011-11-08T15:23:02.793-05:002011-11-08T15:23:02.793-05:00"In muslim Sicily, people spoke a language si..."In muslim Sicily, people spoke a language similar to the nowday Maltese, a very different language."<br /><br /><br />Arabic, in other words (with Latin and Greek influence). It's certain that both pre-Fatimid Latin and Greek survived the Fatimid takeover however and the former flourished under the Normans both due to migration and to state support compared to Greek and especially Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-56322484349072272862011-11-08T07:20:54.323-05:002011-11-08T07:20:54.323-05:00Julie Anne Taylor is right. This is a well-known s...Julie Anne Taylor is right. This is a well-known story, but foreigners do not know the history of Italy, but always want to talk over.<br /><br />Most of the Muslims emigrated to North Africa as early as the Norman conquest, because they did not want to live under the dominion of the infidels, the remainder went in Lucera, as Taylor says. Sicily was repopulated by people from the peninsula.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-65919255768846931742011-11-04T03:42:10.935-04:002011-11-04T03:42:10.935-04:00@Anonymous #7
Some Iranians and other middle east...@Anonymous #7<br /><br />Some Iranians and other middle eastern people hate the fact that they will never be Europeans.<br /><br />And what do you mean they "identify" with Germans? They have nothing in common with them at all. <br /><br />I think its a bit weird that Italians get put in the spotlight more compared to other Southern Europeans. I guess a lot of it has to do with the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-48129012190284878112011-11-04T00:43:32.939-04:002011-11-04T00:43:32.939-04:00Ironically if you read Berchardt, you discover tha...Ironically if you read Berchardt, you discover that it was Italy as a whole, during the renascimento, that treated anyone from North of the alps as uncivilized barbarians. Even North Italy considered themselves Italian, and proud of their Roman Heritage (read the end of The Prince) Biological racism was not known at that time, but Italians thought of themselves as superior, and due to the lagacy Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-21619456717750886342011-11-02T17:06:39.453-04:002011-11-02T17:06:39.453-04:00The funny thing is that Arabs and African American...The funny thing is that Arabs and African Americans do like to think Italians have partially their blood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-83678717419214367342011-11-02T16:15:52.154-04:002011-11-02T16:15:52.154-04:00"Thanks for stating the obvious of genetic mi..."Thanks for stating the obvious of genetic mixing in silly terms"<br />It is obvious for you not for a big bunch of idiots, otherwise there would not be racists :P <br />You are very rude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-59697317997267069422011-11-02T09:04:11.492-04:002011-11-02T09:04:11.492-04:00>>> There seems to be a similar (ignorant...<i>>>> There seems to be a similar (ignorant) argument that the native Italic-Greek population was replaced by "Syrian slaves" during Roman times.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I dealt with that one <a href="http://italianthro.blogspot.com/2011/01/tenney-franks-orientalization-refuted.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Italianthrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09861218992434816390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-53233201019918908452011-11-02T06:46:21.588-04:002011-11-02T06:46:21.588-04:00"I do not understand why all this interest in..."I do not understand why all this interest into Italians"<br /><br />It's not Italians generally but South Italians. It's just difficult for some people, i.e. racists of certain backgrounds, to come to terms with the fact that brown-haired, brown-eyed South Italy -- not that North Italy is much different mind you but the medieval city-states aren't overlooked as much as the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-43723412848772519412011-11-01T20:23:54.400-04:002011-11-01T20:23:54.400-04:00The English and the French are definitely more mix...The English and the French are definitely more mixed than the Italians as they had colonies in Africa in a recent time, but no one has ever been interested in it. I do not understand why all this interest into Italians...<br />There's no pure race: people tend to forget that the Romans, the Greeks, the French, the English moved to the other continents...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5767646968911347208.post-45887034630021250932011-11-01T10:20:50.329-04:002011-11-01T10:20:50.329-04:00"It's often claimed that Italians south o..."It's often claimed that Italians south of Rome are mostly descended from Moors who invaded in the Middle Ages. But according to historian Julie Anne Taylor, the large-scale presence of Muslims in medieval Italy was restricted to just two southern locations (first Sicily and then the area around Lucera) and in both cases ended with mass expulsions."<br /><br />Only someone Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com